as we entered a door of the administration building we did not head to the elevator to take us up the eight floors to the main administration floor.
i looked around the room and asked, "what's up with her?
i was going to work with the elder from hell who ran the photography department.
posted the URL's to Parts 1, 2 & 3 on an xdub support list while ago....it didn't take long...they're over there havin' squealin' worms over gettin to read Part 4Frannie
Dear lord frannie, how in the world do you have time to be so busy over here, and still have time to participate in another x-dub group?
Do you have more than 24 hours a day or maybe a one of them fang-dangled time machines or sumpin'?
Winston, of the '24 hours a day ain't enough' class
as we entered a door of the administration building we did not head to the elevator to take us up the eight floors to the main administration floor.
i looked around the room and asked, "what's up with her?
i was going to work with the elder from hell who ran the photography department.
Great story telling Dave.
Don't post an update for while if you can, i gotta get back to work and don't need any more distractions.
Winston.
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i wanted to remind everyone tonight that the 5th estate runs "spiritual sheperds" tonight at 9pm.
if you missed it last time, its a must to watch.. vic
Just watched it.
Amazing.
Sorry Vicki that you are going through all of this.
I don't understand how these guys that sit on these JC's can sleep at night or look at themselves in the mirror.
I wonder how the one elder's wife views her husband who were stopped in their minivan for an interview at the end of their driveway.
Winston.
my daughter stopped all meetings in the spring.my wife and i went to only a few meetings in the early summer and haven't been to a meeting in over 6 weeks.
my elder friend stops by my work every so often and recently has asked, "am i going to see you at the meeting tonight, min?
" i have said now on 3 occasions, "not tonight......" the other day another elder friend called me out of the blue and asked me how things are going.he said,.he'd like to come by my work and talk a little.
Hey cyberguy, my fellow fader, thinking of ya!
(((cyber)))
Winston.
my daughter stopped all meetings in the spring.my wife and i went to only a few meetings in the early summer and haven't been to a meeting in over 6 weeks.
my elder friend stops by my work every so often and recently has asked, "am i going to see you at the meeting tonight, min?
" i have said now on 3 occasions, "not tonight......" the other day another elder friend called me out of the blue and asked me how things are going.he said,.he'd like to come by my work and talk a little.
Those that are most successful seem to be those that speak less and do not cooperate with them.Min
Yee-haw Min! Then, "Skin them smokewagons!"
Actually,the movie Tombstone has alot good lines that may be used in your last JC:
"You called down the thunder, well now you've got it!"
"The law is coming! You tell them I'm coming . . . and Hell's coming with me! You hear?! Hell's coming with me!"
"My hypocrisy goes only so far."
And the classic:
"I'm your huckleberry"
Or maybe I misunderstood you and you're doing the quiet, slow-fade thing.
Winston.
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i wanted to remind everyone tonight that the 5th estate runs "spiritual sheperds" tonight at 9pm.
if you missed it last time, its a must to watch.. vic
You can watch this show on Silentlambs.com under videos
Cool beans! Thx Winston.
comments you will not hear at the 9-7-03 wt study
what about adam?
what did jesus say about the pharisees?.
'Elderess' Blondie,
Another expertly conducted WT study!
"And I want to thank everyone for their comments this week. I'm sorry if I missed any hands today and will try to get to your answers next time."
Man, I may have to miss this week's Sunday meeting; otherwise I will be hard pressed not to raise my hand and add my $.02 to the discussion.
Winston.
my daughter stopped all meetings in the spring.my wife and i went to only a few meetings in the early summer and haven't been to a meeting in over 6 weeks.
my elder friend stops by my work every so often and recently has asked, "am i going to see you at the meeting tonight, min?
" i have said now on 3 occasions, "not tonight......" the other day another elder friend called me out of the blue and asked me how things are going.he said,.he'd like to come by my work and talk a little.
Good points from Amazing.
It does really come down to if you want to be DF'd, DA'd, or delay any JC decisions and just fade.
JT had some good points too. Get a good support group of friends and loved ones together for you and your family. Then when the hammer drops, [which i think it should IMHO for closure when one is ready] you couldn't care less what these cheese & cracker men do. You and your family will have a life outside of the Borg, so what do you care?
Remember when we were active JW's and started a Bible Study, and then the victim Bible student started to progress so that they were coming to meetings? What were we encouraged to do? Get many different people to sit in on the study, invite the victim Bible Study to social gatherings, have different ones talk to them at the KH.
All of it was an effort for us JW's to build up a group of family and friends that loved them [a.k.a. 'love-bombing'] that the victim Bible study could fall back on when they finally had to cut off all ties with those not in the Troof.
Just work the WTS indoctrination in reverse. It's a steady, slow, drawn out process, but what was done now has to be undone.
Otherwise if you don't care and all of your loved ones are free and you no longer need the peeps at the KH; then pull the six-shooters out and go out in a blaze of glory!
[think: the end scene of 'Young Guns' #1]
Bam! Pow! Ka-boom!
Winston.
my daughter stopped all meetings in the spring.my wife and i went to only a few meetings in the early summer and haven't been to a meeting in over 6 weeks.
my elder friend stops by my work every so often and recently has asked, "am i going to see you at the meeting tonight, min?
" i have said now on 3 occasions, "not tonight......" the other day another elder friend called me out of the blue and asked me how things are going.he said,.he'd like to come by my work and talk a little.
Hey Min!
2. Elders will be round almost every week wanting to 'talk' to you.
Ignored One
Yup, that's what I'm getting now.
as Shera and you have said, N O T H I N G is the way to go if it works. Plead the 5th. Otherwise, I just outright lie and tell them what they want to believe. I've failed doing this a few times and have said nothing, thinking that would be enough. But at times they have pressed hard on me to give them an answer and I still stayed nuetral in my answers, and maybe have raised red flags.
When they asked me if I thought if the WTS was the the might jehover's F&DS, I wish I gave this answer that amac gave me:
"If they claim to be the F&DS, who am I to say otherwise? As long as they are taking the spiritual lead and what they say is in accord with God's word, then I will follow their direction."
amac
Otherwise, maybe if you have your family free from the borg, then just refuse to meet with them, or delay it indefinitely. The only reason that I am playing their game is to buy time to get my wife out. Otherwise, I'd just let them DF me tomorrow.
Best of luck,
Winston.
"jehovah's christian witness"
copyright 1994 by david a. reed, used with permission:
"because it is implemented much more slowly than in many other cults, the watchtower society's program of mind control often goes unrecognized, except by experts.
I'm reading Steven Hassan's book, "Realeasing the Bonds", to get insight on how to get my wife out.
The identifying characteristics that you cited Pepper are similar to Steve's B.I.T.E. model. It's based on psychologist Leon Festinger's [who is the author of the book, "When Prophesy Fails"] cognitive dissonance theory which shows that cults seek out to control a persons Behaviour, Thoughts, and Emotions.
Steve expanded the theory to include controlling the Information that a person can receive, hence the B.I.T.E. model, Behaviour, Information, Thoughts, and Emotions.
Steve was a Moonie at one point, and an educated and successful Moonie at that. As I read the book I am finding that the parallels of the Moonie's and other cults methods of control so similar to the JW's it is giving me chills.
Steve also promotes a new approach to releasing loved ones from cults called Strategic Interaction Approach. It looks very promising for getting my wife out of this cult.
One thing that is encouraging to me is a list of reasons of why we can rescue a loved one out of a cult. I never asked for permission to reproduce the list, so I will summarize what the points of the list were.
Basically, a person is never under 100% mind control because ALL people want to be free and to know the truth of a matter. If you can setup a group of people who your loved can trust, the person will be rescued eventually, it's only a matter of time because cults are predictable and their predictions never come true. Plus change and growth within a person are inevitable, so the chances are favorable for rescuing a person if you go about it in a systematic and loving manner.
Still reading it, but it is really good. If you want to rescue a loved one from the JW's, I'd strongly encourage one to get this book through Randy Watter's web site. It's given me a game plan, direction and hope of rescuing my wife.
Winston.
